The Norley That I Knew...

...Was a million years ago. Miss Saxon taught us at Robert Lewis. Mick Bailey's dog, Rocky, often visited us in the playground. The travellin' actors came to perform Rumplestiltskin. Nigel Slater's Dad had a shop. And all the bonfire's on The Green lit up the autumn night...

The White Hunter sold shoelaces. John Hunt jumped from his bedroom window. And Mr Worthington lost his marbles. The West Ward Christmas Party brought us joy. Walter saw us across Ormskirk Road, and the winds of change were light years away.

The Norley that I knew has gone. The memories live on...

PS: And I lived at the other side of the tracks.

jarvo i remember the white hunter but for the life of me i can not remember his name..... i have a lot of happy memories from the time i spent on norley hall we had not much money but we knew how to enjoy our selves . i remember the dads coming out to play cricket and foot ball with the kids . the estate used to be buzzing with kids but we had no lap tops or game boys to amuse us.. the hours i spent with my mates sat on the wall at the norley shops or we used to climb over the gate and sit at the back of the butchers shop loads of us .. we never caused any harm just had a natter a sly smoke and a..laugh i remember one of the lads we used to call him scooby as he was always singing scooby dooby doo is first name i can not remember now but his last name was cunliff he lived be hind the shops he had a brother Terry who had the nick name TART and a sister Margaret ..well one night we were all behind the butchers and scooby was climbing on the garage roofs that were behind the shops and they had asbestos roofs and he was jumping from one to another ..and as he was going along he was singing scooby dooby doo were are you and all at once we heard scooby dooby dooo were are yooooooooooooooooo arghhhhhhhhhhh well we all went running around to see what had happened and he was laid flat out on the floor of one of the garages ..he had gone straight through the roof . he did not harm himself thank fully. and he was just laid there with the wind knocked out of him.. we could do nothing but laugh when we knew he was all right.. we had some great laughs and there were some great characters.. happy days .. and jarvo i have just remembered who we knew as white hunter it was mr Jones. Sylvia Jones dad .. she married a character called Kenny Turton . he always wore a suit and dicki bow and we used to sing to him in the streets Kenny had a penny and he thaught he was rich and all he could buy was two hapenny chicks .. he was a gentle man though all ways said Hello to every one and asked how they were ..and funny enough he now lives in Dowhall Green not far from us .. we knew who our neighbours were and they would give you there last cup of sugar ..and beleive me we were asked many a time had we got a cup untill me dad gets paid on friday lol

jarvo, Can you remember what Walter's last name was?

i remember a chap called Walter who used to colect glasseS in the west ward but i can not think of his last name either fred ?

Fred: Walter was the policeman who stood at the top of Norley Hall Avenue, near the chemists. He was a motorcycle officer and his job was to see all the kids from Enfield Street and our estate safely across the busy Ormskirk Road to school.

Rose: You're correct. He was also known as "Noddy" Jones. I think Lol used to collect glasses also.

I know Scooby's brother, Harry. Smashin' lad.

Thanks, jarvo,

my sentiments also about Norley 'back then' even though I lived at the top of Helvellyn Rd. Norley was great place as many of us will remember but it was the times also. The 1950's. I remember people talking about an incident where the police had marched a chap along Fleet Street to the station in Pem, AND...he was in handcuffs...!!!! a rare thing for those times.

Makes you wonder just what we have lost in order to have 'better' times today...

jarvo if i am not mistaken Terry passed away A number of years ago ?.he was a nice lad as well .. was it a chap named Walter who used to collect glasses ?or am i mistaken

Your stories from the past it is so nice to read them....

Good morning lizzi hope all is well ..at this presant moment i have 3 of the grand chilldren who have just been fed and watered. and are know playing with the play dough so for the rest of the day i will be picking it out of the carpet ..

im sure scoobys name was anthony, marg now lives in spain

Yes thats it walshy been racking my brains. thank you .. yes i know Marg lives in Spain i was talking to her on video chat on face book a month or so ago ... think she said she as been there about 6 years ..bet it is a bit warmer over there than it is on norley at this present moment in time ..

i was talking to her over there, and that was about 3/4 years ago

i bet it is, but you did that much running around, as kids, you hardly felt the cold

Rbiilly you are a good grandma.....I looked after both of mine just about from the beginning...mum and dad bought a house so they had to go back to work to pay the mortgage.......I really used to love "In The Night Garden"
With Derek Jacobi narrating.....Olivia is 7 now and Cameron is 9 I just don't know where the years have gone........

Steven "Scooby" and Margaret were twins.

Rose: I can't seem to recall Walter.

it was when i started there in early seventys .. thaught his name was walter ..may be barry can remember him WERE ARE YOU WHIZZER WHEN YOU ARE NEEDED lol

I loved living on norley x was it Walter mcnicholas who collected glasses? That was the only Walter I knew on norley. There was a lad we called yaya used to hang out of his bedroom window on Severn drive, he used to frighten me to death!

rbilly, was the glass collector walter charnock he collected glasses in the west ward about that era.

scooby.s name is antony cunliffe he use to play football for woodford youth club many moons ago with is mate chimp and john wood.not seen him for a couple of years .think he as moved from wigan.

Anthony (scooby) cunliffe lives in Orrell.

the lad who was always in the bedroom window was bernard brown. the white hunter was a hamill

Thats right tommy, right at the bottom of severn drive

His mam, ann,was a rum un, his brother used to go in the norley

Bernard used to live near us in dorset close when we first moved to norley. and when the houses were being done up we were all moved out and in to other houses on norley .. Bernard used to frighten some of the kids who did not know him . he used to hang out the window and give folk a mouthful of abuse but he had certain learning difficulties .and on the odd ocasion he would make a bid for free dome and would run of down the street ..and Mary ann is mum used to shout at the top of her voice Bernard get back in this house but in a manner that would frighten a police horse if she told me to get back in the house i would have got back in the house.. the family used to keep themselves to them selves though never did any one any harm and the other memebers of the family the sister and one of the other brothers were nice ..and it is a small world only yesterday we were talking about Bernard as one of my freinds used to support him in a house he lived in..tommy the white hunter i knew was mr Jones and i think he lived on lamberhead road at one time.Stars not sure what is second name was i think his wife now i come to think about it also collected glasses at the same time

People knew when mary ann had been in the shops

HA HA walshy she certanley was a caracter..if she said jump you jumped lol like i say when they lived near us we never had any problems with them .. can i ask you walshy do you have relation called Glynis Walsh...?

rbilly, walters wife was betty,or bet as he used to call her, and she also collected glasses in the west ward

Aye and who can forget Norley Hall in September.

Remember Norley Hall in September

No rbilly

Im trying to think what Bernards brother was called who used to go in the norley and stand at the bar in the vault

Think it was Tommy or Thomas . walshy a big rotund chap. he also had another brother but i can not think of his name

I don't think yaya was Bernard brown, I think his surname was Derbyshire? I'm gerrin confused now! I remember glenys Walsh, didn't she marry Kenny cornwell?

sounds like the same one stars i was only sweet 16 at the time and the old grey matter is some what greyer lol .. judy dont no anyone by that name ..and not sure who Glenys married think he came from ince some were ..she used to live with her grandama just down the road from me belting girl she was ..used to natter to her when i was on the bus going to work in a morning she is older than i am think she may be about 60 now some were around that age.. She had a brother Freddy .. think his lad played for united at one time and then he went to wigan local lad did good for himself

Freddy passed away last year rose x I didn't know he was glenys brother?

a cracking bloke, missed by many

Does Glenys Walsh have a sister called Doeen, she was in my class at pem senior, Doreen definitley had a brother called Freddie.

she did, sadly doreens not with us anymore

dotty

I remember doreen, she worked in school meals, I used to see her when I worked for Wigan Metro. She was a lovely lady.

Rose; stars is right it was Walt Charnock, he always sat on the right hand side of the concert room by the doors with his wife. He was a slim bloke with white/gray hair and they both wore specs.

Judith; both Bernard Brown and the young man people called yaya lived near you on Avon rd and Severn drive.
Mary Ann Brown was a lovely lady and had to put up with a lot looking after Bernard, and didn’t get a lot of help from the authorities, she called a spade a spade,and he frightened the hell out of me too thanks to your Eric.

Haha! Barrie I knew you'd turn up eventually! Our Eric had a nasty streak dint he? He frightened our Carole to death and we still laugh at it now! There was an entry in between our house and sheridans on Avon rd and Carole was in dining room on her own when she heard an eerie voice whispering Carole Carole, it was our Eric in entry talking through ventilation bricks!!

Judith; ha ha thats your Eric to a tee, but me and dawber got him back once, we got him drunk in dawbers when we were about 15, we carried him to your house in Lamberhead rd, propped him up against the door pillar ,knocked and ran like hell, only to find ten minutes later he was still there so we had to face your Annie and tell the truth.......that we found him drunk on Norley hall ave ha ha ha. She found out at a later date. I still miss your mam to this day, she kept her eye on us lot, a great lady.

Hahaha! The wrath of Annie x I miss her badly but I'm sure she's around! She was only 57 when she died and I'll be 57 in July - the magic age, once I get passed that I'll be reet! xx

Bernard Browns brother was called John. So remember those days. Yes Rose I am Helens sister. Sorry for not responding earlier. I seem to remember someone called Suzy Wong but never knew if it was a real person or not.

ya ya was a lad called alan darbyshire and he lived on severn drive at the bottom end, i think he got his nickname from his attempts to say "hiya".

I knew it was darbyshire! Thanks farrie!

speaking of carefree days when we were young,meself Peter Gilbert Walter Mcnicholas and Josie Foster decided in a wild impulsive way to visit a friend who had moved, so we walked it to Ormskirk !!! after an eternity we found his house and spent the afternoon playing .his dad was going to run us home in his car but after an unfortunate accident with a medicine ball and a prized collection of bird's eggs he chucked us out we set out to walk back and about halfway we called at a house to beg a drink of water,the kindly lady gave us a drink and after hearing of our plight gave us bus fare to get us home as it was getting late .when we finally got back all the neighbours were out scouring the streets for us ,as they did in those days when kids went missing,boy were we in bother that time never allowed out the street for a week after that great days great memories

Peter Gilbert is another of my brothers!!

farrie; Peter Gilbert is judyteens brother, ha ha I always said your Annie had a lot to put up with judith.

I was no trouble! The other 7 were

good lad was peter used to give him a lift with his paper round,sooner it was done sooner we could play out.peter came on holiday with us one year ,to Sunnyvale of course got a couple of photos of us there if only i knew how to upload um

He lives in shevy now, finally moved from hindley green after about 40 years!! I used to like Sunnyvale

half of Wigan used to like Sunnyvale judy

The White Hunter was NOT a Hammill. It was Noddy Jones.

The Norley I knew has long gone... just like the Wigan I knew.....

Aww, Moodysue. Don't be wistful...

hello alli got me thinking then who Helen was lol hope all is well with the family ...and you are right there was a girl called Suzy Wong ..they lived next door but one to us in Dorset Close . she had a brother called David and not sure if there was another sibling .their mum was a Prescot before marrage Lilly i think her name was. the chilldren were lovly .. The Prescots lived at the bottom of Dorset Close . Somerset Road big family of them ..i used to knock about with Sharrron think there was about 8 of them ..there dad was one of the blokes who used to play football and cricket with kids on the estate nice chap.as for the Walshes i think there was another sister called Carol as well . she used to go in the west ward . I am sorry judy i dont remember you ..did you have a sister norma ?. and another sisster i forgot her name who married a winstanley and lived behind norley shops .....

buckley's, ruddy's, ropers, kings,murphy's, flemings,all lived near you rbilly

they sure did david buckleys lived on the corner of summerset road..do you remember Florry she was lovely i remember when we were going to school in a morning and Florry used to say to us every day you had better hurry up school bells gone and we used to run like billy oh up Lamberhead Road and there would be no body ther e we were the first in the play ground lol the ruddys lived at the bottonm of doreset close in that part of somerset road next door to the Loyds. ropers lived in Lamberhead road We are still freinds with Alan ,,good lad kings lived a bit further down on the other side the Murphys lived in Dorset Close .they moved in to the House we used to live in before they did the houses up and they moved every one around ..and the Flemings lived behind the norley shops ,Christine used to knock around with us at one time when we used to go round the norley shops Eeeeee David they are blasts from the past.. there were the Malones who lived on the corner of our row i used to mate about with.Mary then there were the Mullins And the Beards and then us in 24 and the Cullens and then the Halliwells .. Mr Cullen used to take his bike every morning and go down to the YOYO and pick coal and be there most of the day and then come back and sell what he had picked to folk on the estate nice old chap he was.. were did you live on norley david do i know you ?

Good old Avon Road Norley , seems such a long time since I lived there for sure .

you know me but not from norley,i knew your mum and dad joan and eddie,live in bryn, now used to go in the oddies with pauline who lived next door to your daughter in wentworth,

I remember a girl called Christine who lived on The Green, she went tyo St Marks. One day she ran to get the bus for school, tried to jump on as it moved away fell off and fractured her skull. Lynn Hurst also lived on The Green, and Marilyn Wogan. David Barker William Hammond Sandra Birchall, Brian Sherry, John and Graham Gibson, Paul Carney,(he gave me a black eye) Adamsons, Fairhurst, Carol Makinson was my best friend Heavens all those names.

are you sure it wasn't john hammond eront, he lived down saddleback and was that girl christine smith

William? had a cleft pallet and the christine lived in a corner house on the green cant remember the name of the road that went down parallel almost to helvellyn

think it's her eront,she used to mate with a girl mamed dorothy lowe if i remember right, don't think john had a cleft pallet,mind you tetley bitter has pickled my brain, so the memory is a bit dim, still see david barker

AHHHH Dave lol i know who you are know . how are you not seen you for ages.... I Remeber Marilyn Wogan eront my brother used to mate with her Brother Ian.. i always remember her mum she used to were a white glove on one of her hands .. and i remember thinking why does she have a glove on one hand and not the other .. think it was a false hand now i look back lol silly me . dont no the others on the Green eront i remember the Athertons and The Rathbones and the Sweenys they all lived in the same row

i'm ok rbilly, hope you and jimmy are well do you still see christine?

dont forget the cadmans, burkes, speakmans, derek knowles, ella wren

Are Incers allowed to join in?
I worked with some rum uns in the seventies.
Jean Spellman and Frances Bithell, they'd have grown up on Norley in the 50's and 60's.

i had an absolutely beautiful gf from norley,lived just off thorburn road,she dumped me when she found out i was from worsley mesnes.

Whatever happened to Roy Hickey and Pey Higham?

The last I heard was that Pey Higham was working in an Israeli Kibbutz!

Feal free pisolivadi .. i knew Jean Spellman she lived in Lamberhead road She has a couple of sisters there names escape me for the min ahh think one was joyce and bear with me i will think of the other one .. one of the girls Married Dennis Hilton from behind the Norley Shops eeeee what was her name could it have been Carole,, i also remember Frances Bithell not very well though .. OH i am loving this really taking me back THANKS for starting this jarvo. dont know any of those names you have just mentioned

that was kath spelly

yes that is the Girl walshy thanks for that

your welcome

beltin thread

you couldnt find this info on google

ha ha no may be not walshy.. i have emailed brian to asked if he will make it a sticky for a little while..

brings back a lot of memories, its nice to have a thread like this, makes a nice change

im suprised know one has mentioned the caddicks, grady's and powers

Rose! You do remember me Judith Hutchinson yes I had a sister Norma and her twin Barbara, Barbara still lives on the green Norma passed in 2001 I have another sister Carole, 4 brothers but the 2 you might remember are Peter Gilbert and Eric Hutchinson. We have spoke on Facebook but I've just checked ad you've disappeared from my list!

May power was a force to be reckoned with! Jarvo pey higham died years ago he was a good mate of our Erics

Baker boy what was her name?

77 posts and no nasty comments or falling out

Brilliant

That's cos were norleyers!

HAHAHA

Walshie, I was saddened to hear that Doreen had died, how long ago was this. She married graham carney, he was an old neighbour of mine years ago.
I love this thread it is bringing back loads of memories.
Scoop, I wonder how many of our class mates are no longer with us.
Such a shame about Doreen.

i guessing dotty, it was about 3/4 years ago, sadly Graham is no longer with us

Remember Len Caddick and Eddie Power, they had their names on the backrest near the snooker table in the "West" and any strangers who dared to use those seats were given short shrift when they walked in Another "Backbencher" who used to sit with them often was Stan Burgess, known locally as "El Sober"

there was a few like that rio

Caddick from Helvelyn Rd is a member of WW..Bill Sayer,Bill Byron,Tommy Dolan,Dez O'neil,David Wright,Barbara Dawber,Gerry & Maureen Murphy,Anne Carr,Purcells,Gaskell twins,Robert Gaskell,Sandra Hughes..& lots more.

even in the concert room, they had there "own/same" seats everytime they went in

yes judy i do have you on face book but it is Norma i new more than any one she used to visit us when we lived in somerset road sorry to hear that she as passed away and i remember Barbara.. if i am not mistaken she was married to was it Len Winstanley..and was Norma married to his brother i sme how recall two sisters marrying two brothers ,, ui used to go to school with Sandra Winstanley there sister think they came of worsley hall though ..i remember the Gradys ..the Caddicks and the Poweres .Linda Power was a freind of my sisters they lived be hind the norley shops. and Kath Grady i know she was a freind of my sisters also.. i talk to Kath reguler .. on Fb. still as mad as a wasp .. . i am trying to think back on who lived in Dorset Close when we did .. starting from the bottom left side Puckerings not sure who lived next door to them mymemory fails me on that one .there was the Wongs the Jones not sure if they moved in after the Wongs The Athertons lived next door to us .. but there were 3 sets oF Athertons on norley at that time and none were related.. there were The Farleys and next door to them were the Makins.and the Doughertys not sure how to spell there name . the Browns and the Mcanes and the Bromlies.i remenber the Goughs but not sure which one they lived in could have been in the browns house after they moved out ..There was the Cromptons next door to them was the Wrens ,, think the Fletchers also lived in Dorset close after the Wrens.. not while we lived there though think we had moved in somerset road then ,,the Clarkes and the Harmers lived in the end house ..and then i think at the bottom of Dorset close were the Baynams .. The Gouildings moved in to the Harmers house after they moved out .. i am on A roll hear ha ha

Judith; sad news about pey higham, his dad died young with a disease which only affected the males in the family so peter lived his life to the full. This is why threads like this are great so we know where friends have gone or if they have passed away.

I will put a list of names from norley on here soon but it will take me a while.

Good luck with that Barrie! Rose our Barbara married two brothers!! Vernon winstanley then his brother Len [:o] my best friend at primary was Carole Barton, she lived next door to powers at bottom of Avon rd

Ups sorry judy lol i knew there was some thing about two brothers .. i did not no many Behind the norley shops theThe Flemings .Dericote. Mcguires .. Cunlifs besides the one i have all ready said . dont remember Carol Barton judy oh wait a min did she have long blonde hair really longTHE Gregorys lived just down the road form us in the red brick houses i used to run errands for May .. and i always remember she had two sons and they were massive . when i say massive they were really Tall think they played rugby not sure if it was for wigan she used to run some pub or club some were in wigan i think . Going back to the west ward i rememberJimmy Brady he always sang a song at the end of the night RUBY dont take your love to town and was it Jimmy price forgot his first name

No Carole had dark hair. I'm waiting for barries list then start adding to!

Iam loving this. look how many people have veiwed it wish they had all commented as i bet we would know a lot of them lol .. i am going on the people i knew from around our area . and a few from near the green and hellvellin road i mated with a girl called Florence Burrows from when we were 6 and to this day we are still good freinds and that is over 51 years .i also remember the Quigleys from just of the Green big family they were Pauline is the one i know the best and the twins Paul and David.. different than chalk and cheese Paul was little and blonde and quite stocky were as david was reasionably taller than him with dark and i think he could have had curly hair .
There was also the Mays think there were about 4 lads in that family all big lads they lived in the row of houses that ran be hind the old folks hostell facing us not sure what street was called
think one of the lads was called jimmy

one was jimmy, one mick, i think there was only 3 but i cant remember the other one, they went living in little thorburn road, if its the same family

I'm loving this as well int it ironic that the person who started it is not a norleyer!! Where's Barrie with this list? I'm gonna start mine soon

your right rbilly there was 4, the 2 above, kevinand the one i cant think of, he went in the west, always wore an overcoat

jonny may was one of them . and mick and kevin and jimmy .. my jimmy seems to think there was another brother the lad who you are on about walshy who always wore an over coat dont think he was a well lad seem to remember he was in and out of hospital..

i thought that was kevin, he used to in the west on weekend afternoons and pinch people cigs and pints while they where playing snooker

they used to call jonny, tom jones

unless the one im thinking about was jimmy

jimmy, john, tommy, and kevin may,john and jimmy are twins,

there was one call mick, as well

never knew mick,john and jimmy played rugby for st pats, i think chris joynt who was captain of saints is their nephew

its tommy i dont remember, micks about 53/54

tommy i think is the eldest used to work at rathbones, john and jimmy are a year older than me so they'll be 64,they had sisters but can't say i know them

Here is a list of names of people I knew on norley hall avenue starting on the top.

Joe, kevin, and keith dawber, shelagh hitchen, alan linkman, jeff and david duckworth, george pool, mr jimmy & mrs emington and sons bob (merchant navy) & ross, jimmy was blind and had a golden lab. harry, & ray walls I think they had a sister christine. mr & mrs rimmer, terry, roy, frances, they had another son but I can't remember his name mr rimmer was on the committee at west ward. john dawber, alice kelly she was a cook either pem primary or pem boys, john (pedro) & allan derbyshire, allan played rugby for swinton, mr & mrs ralphson and sons keith & top man (joe ninety) dave, but don't ask him to sing, eddie & william higham, mr & mrs dainty & sons tony & barry, my family john & (nellie) ellen winrow and sons john, colin, ken, Ian & me barrie, mr & mrs arnold & sons jimmy but I can't remember the others name, jimmy played rugby for wigan, jim mcormack jim played rugby for wigan, oldham and swinton, sadly jim passed away in january. mr & mrs dowd, I can only remember two boys billy & martin, bernadete quinn, mr & mrs ashcroft & son david, mr & mrs derbyshire and three daughters carole, I think lynn can't remember the third.

I'm up to norley pub

ooh you are impatient judith

Edit I may be wrong on ray walls some one will know.

Barrie: Dave was the other Rimmer. Great lad.

John yer right it was Dave.

The Mays were Jimmy & Johnny (twins) Kevin, Michael and the sister was Eileen (not sure of the spelling) she married Jimmy Joint who worked a fosters motors, Standish, Chris Joint is their son.

Barrie: Do you remember John Hunt?

there was also dot, ethel and kath rimmer and there dad was dick rimmer

all 3 of the lads where into karate


a bit further down, where the walls, and then the clarks and the shaws

wizz, john (pedro)derbyshire also played at swinton and also had an illustrious career at st cuthberts arlfc cracking footballer to was john,i also remember the swifts,bannisters,dawbers,wynns,quigleys,stevens,cooksons,burrows

did they use to call alan, uggy

Small world rbilly my youngest is married to one of the Derricotts grandchildren. Who would have thought all those years ago.

walshy; yes alan was known as uggy, and how could I forget Christine & Ray shaw,

I'm up to norley pub
Joe willis, eddie son, daughter I think shelagh, paul edwards, eric farrimond, bob blan, I think bobs sister's is name is carol, alan & colin burgess.

Now thorburn rd.

Betty & bill dawber, maureen dawber(dunne) david, & brian if he ever visits you in hospital, hide your chocolates. horrace hamill west ward doorman, jack & dolly barns dolly was a barmaid in the west ward, dianne thompson, mr & mrs peet, linda & keneth peet, mrs barton, marlene, frank, joyce, robin, & derek barton ( Dirk do you want a ride on my scooter), molly king, john (tash) king his sister I think her name is margaret, christine smith

lets not forget the jones, ian was a good friend of mine

barrie, and ken, keith, harry and linda walls and god knows how many where in the clark family

The Quigleys had 13 children, I used to work with the eldest girl, At a sewing factory up Scholes. I was about 15, I think her name was Joyce.

Devon close-Norma Thomas, bottom of thorburn June Tudor a lad called somebody dean? I'm not very good at this am I? Lol!

Was it not Tony Dean

Clifford!! Tony was his younger brother

Thorburn rd continued

mrs hitchin, john, helen, mrs hitchen was a dinner lady at pem primary. peter (slider) & pat hewitt & carol hewitt, carol married my mate brian (dilly) bradley,peter was a hod carrier for my brothers, pat worked behind the bar in the west ward, Deborha jones, mr & mrs hunter, brenda, Ian, & brian.

next one of the best families to come off norley Joe & Ada Brown, alan, colin, & stuart all the family worked in there own sausage skin company in the old summer sales pit yard in long wall woods. mr & mrs parker, john, & ken, john had a norton dominator motorbike, mr & mrs kay, & grayham kay, mr & mrs sharrock, peter, I think one was alan and the other I can't remember, mr sharrock (les) was on the west ward committee, mr & mrs farrimond, julie, and I can't remember the boys name,

mr & mrs may, johnny, jimmy, kevin, & michael, Eileen, mr & mrs taylor, john & les were twins (wild boys).mr & mrs fell, desmond, julie, & marie, julie fell you broke my heart when you dumpt me, mr & mrs lee, ann, kevin, mr & mrs cook, mr cook was on the west ward committee, mr & mrs houghton, tony, susan, janette, tony is in the band rainbow cottage, mr & mrs jones, ann, irene, brian, I can't remember the other boy, mr & mrs bradley, david & my mate (dilly) brian, mr & mrs carter, keith carter, mr & mrs lusher, peter, malcolm,isobel,

wiltshire place

billy birchall he is drummer in the band winston, philip (pants) garvin, dennis whittle,

Norma baldwin, Ashcroft s and the readys and the fords

This is getting embarrassing now! Norma was my sister Jenny Jackson and her son Kelvin

Cornwall place

peter higham, mrs mather, mary mather, mary has a brother who lives in Bolton but I can't remember hiis name, there were three girls who lived at the botom on the left hand side they went to thomas more school, anyone know them it's doing my head in.

Rita and Linda houghton

Did linda go out with a lad who had a triumph bonneville

Errmm...don't know mrs Mather used to make clothes for me and our Carole. I used to think Mary was really attractive, she went out with Dave orrell (big honk) not sure if they got married I think they did?

Lamberhead rd

mr & mrs brown they both worked for Lancashire united buses he drove and she was a conductor, they had a German shepherd dog, speakman twins Carol, I think the other was Susan, Len caddick and young len, can someone fill in the other kids,
Sid fallas, mr & mrs jones, clifford, robert, deborah, Ian.
Kings, Derek I think john, and jimmy I think. come on rose and judith.
Hunters White, Sylvia, and Kenneth Turton.

Now then who's next.....






















ahh yes it's the Hutchie's

George (I deserve the george cross) Hutchinson, Annie (Don't mess wi me) Hutchinson, Judith (I always wanted to kiss Barrie Winrow) Hutchinson, Carole (I wish I was as old as our Judith so I could kiss him too) Hutchinson, Eric (I've kissed him loads of times when we were drunk) Hutchinson.

Gilbert are going to Avon rd.

Other caddicks, christine, marg, pauline, cyril, eddie, eric , willy

Barrie how did you know? lol! It's still a standing joke in our lot when people ask "who's the oldest Judith or Carole?" she hates it! Mickey daltons son Kevin moved next door to us! OMG! Never a dull moment! Alice Burke and her brood, Arthur and Martha atherton and their lot all girls Alice ainsworth and her son albert. Freddie Croston and his wife Ann lived next door to us with their kids Trevor and Joanne-Annie delivered Joanne! Christine whittle married one of the burkes. Tommy tickle! I went out with him for a very short spell!

Christine married stey burke

The other joneses, where deb, shirley, susan, stey, stan, that werent his proper name, everyone called him that because he looked like stan laurel and daft cliff

Somebody mentioned the road parallel to Helvellyn Road. Could it have been Thirlmere Road ?? The Green ran along the top and we used to have our bonfires on there. I grew up there and can still name everybody who lived down there....more or less !!! Buttermere Road along the bottom going down to the shops......happy days !!!!

Is Robert Gaskell of Helvellyn Road a member of WW ??? I got my first kiss off him !!!! He used to live in the house at the bus stop.....second stop down from the terminus at the Green. Think he had a brother called John. I'm going back about 60 years now......long time !! We moved to Thirlmere Road when I was 6 and I'm 67 now so a loooong time ago !!! Lived there till I got married when I was 26 but my Mum & Dad lived there till they both died.

judyteen, Mary and Honk did get married but later divorced. They had at least one child. Rob Mather as had the Butcher's shop near Billinge Rd for years
Wizzer think you should go to the docs seems to me you have the outset of early senility, your memory is bloody hopeless

rio; I'm taking tablets for it ha ha, my wife say I'm hopeless at remembering things as well, I always say I remembered to say "I do" didn't I.

Cherries I don't know if Robert Gaskell is a member of WW...funny you should mention him as I was chatting in Mesnes St last week and he stopped & gave me a kiss...Caddick is a member on WW

Morning nana.......I'm pleased to hear Robert's still alive and kicking and still kissing women !!! As I said before he was the first boy who ever kissed me. We were playing round the corner from where I lived......a few of us.......only in our early teens....and he gave me a kiss. Course at that age I thought he was a cheeky so and so. It seems he still is. Would be nice if he is on here and read this.
I know Jimmy's on here.....we've chatted and e-mailed.
Thanks for letting me know......memories and all that !!! xx

I used to mate and work at tupperware with Rita Haughton her sister Linda sadley died A few years ago .. i think her other sister was called Margaret .. and they have a brother called Alan they used to call him little murt lol i remember the Gallager sisters also.Honk went to live in Australia came back about 20 years ago could not settle and went back .. John Bankes lived oposite you Barry in the Houses leading up to the norley pub Also Tommy Malone and the Derbyshires lived on the end house be for the Steps that went down to the pub they moved there from Somerset road they had i think 4 girls i used to be freinds with one of the girls Carol think there was 3 of them she married Lesley Stevenson think he lived on the Green at one time i mated with Christine Whittle Judy and yes she di marry Steven Burke was talking to her FEW weks ago in the Enfeild labour club it was there Caroles 50 birthday party i was there with Carol Speakman and Janet Conway.. tell you who i was talking to as well not see him for years Graham Marsh used to call him Rocky ,, his brother married Pauline Whittle . Christine sister Roberet Gaskel lived next door to my freind Florence Burrows and we are still freinds after all these years over 50 years . .. who was the lady they called 2 gill lill Bary she used to go in the West Ward was Only a little lady think she used to live in the row of houses that were on the same side as the hostell I also remember Gergie Pool and his brother Ronni was a frend of my hubbys when they were younger .. Colin Burgess lived oposite the shops he was in my class at st Johns and i had a bad accident one of the walls at school fell over on him he was only young when it happened think we were in the Juniors at the time there was a lad who lived be hind the norley some were i think they called him dylan that was not his name just his nickname .. also there was another lad his name escapes me he has a pub on pemberton or he did have ? i also remeber Jimmy Dyke he lived on Lamberhead Road as a brother who used to be a ajokey Martine i think his name was .also Paul Rothwell he lived in Lamberhead Road as well he had a couple of brothers think one of them was Called Ian . they have or di have a plumbing business. .. ehh my finger is hurting with all this typing i keep remembering different names ..jarvo one of the girls you mentioned Frances Atherton she sadley passed Away a few years ago lovely girl she was the sister of my freinds Maxine AND Genette Atherton .... i remember playing murps in the middle of Dorset close with a lad they called chucky he was A Mackin froget his first name now think it was Charley.. they wer related to the Farleys who lived next door to them in Dorset Close .does any one remember the McCanne twins they were nice girls .. nana are you from norley?

Rose: Builderboy is married to Barbara who is one of the twins.

not seen them for years jarvo they lived near us on norley and went all through Pem girls with them Roy there brother was our best man and i have never forgiven him lol ,,

Roy is alive and well.

yes we see him he does a lot of walking.. he lost Marian that was so sad we all used to be great freinds .. we dont see much of Roy only when we bump in to him in asda..

Cherries I must know you...I lived in the middle house in Borrowdale...my sister Kath & brothers John & Alan

do i know you nana did you go to pemberton girls school?

rbilly I went to St Marks...Kathleen went to Pemberton

rbilly your friend Florence will know my family...she lived corner house in Helvelyn near the bus stop.

Nana......we were playing in Borrowdale with Robert and a few others at the time I've been talking about. I lived in the middle of Thirlmere Road.....on the right as you turn up from Borrowdale where it bends and then carries on up. Depends how old you are, nana. I'm 67 so would you have lived there when I did ?? The Purcells lived in Borrowdale and the O'Learys lived on the corner house and Ronnie and John Simpkin lived on the other corner....other side of Borrowdale. In fact, my best friend then was Kathleen O'Leary who lived on the corner. Can't place anybody called Kath or John and Alan. Trying to think of the name of the family who lived in the first house on the right....they had lads I think...similar age to me.

Nana.....getting mixed up....memory letting me down. They're called 'senior Moments' !!! The place I'm talking about is Rydal Walk that we went down to get to Helvellyn road. I remember now Borrowdale is other side of Helvellyn Road,isn't it ?? I did know a Jacqueline who lived in Borrowdale...not very well but we used to chat at the bus stop in Helvellyn Road. I remember your Mother if you're who I think you might be and are you about my age ?? If you are who I think you might be, I can see your Mother as plain as day !!! I don't think I knew your sister but the lads names ring a bell. If I knew your second name then, I would definitely know if you're who I think you might be.

cherries i remember Kevin O'leary, Eric Simpkin and pat kelly from my teens.was Sid purcell a tall lad from that area too/

Cherries I was Jacqueline Bentham...Byrons lived next door and Hughes the other side of us...my mum was Alice..Margaret Sherburn was my friend and Sandra Gore...I'm 67

nana how old will Kathleen be like cherries says if we new your last name .. may help the old grey matter lol Florence did live in the corner house you are right.. DO you know the rest of the famiy ?

Yes, kath, Sid was a tall lad but he was younger than me. He had an older brother who I think was older than me but not much.....think he was Derek. Kevin was Kathleen's brother but again younger than me and Eric simpkin was Ronnie (who was a woman !!) and John's son. Both the O'Leary's and the Simpkins lived on each corner of Thirlmere Road and Rydal Walk. You sound as if you might be younger than me. Did you know Jean Aspey.....she's 6 years younger than me...61. We lived next door to the Aspeys all the time we lived there......I'm still friendly with Norma (Jean's Mum) who's 86 now. Or did you know Sandra Ralphs....they lived next door but one to us and Sandra had that dress shop in Pemberton at the bottom of the alleyway from Fleet Street down into Pemberton. She had it for years.....don't know what it is now because we live in Hindley now so I've lost touch a bit with Pemberton but we go seeing Norma regularly.

Nana......I knew you were Jacqueline bentham !!! I remember your Mum as if it was yesterday !!! My Mum and me used to chat to her at the bus stop.
Margaret Sherburn lived opposite us and I remember Sandra Gore from St.Johns.....we're all the same age.
Well...here goes....I was Dorothy Higham. don't know if you remember me but I was always at the bus stop either going to school or going out when we'd finished school. It's a small world !!!
I can't place a Florence though in Helvellyn and my friend, Freda used to live in one of those top houses till they moved to Billinge.

do you mean the little odd shaped shop cherries that was on the corner the last time i went in that it was a shop that sold all sorts of haberdashary stuff mind you i am going back a lot of years used to go up stairs to it not a very big shop was it ..

going back to norley i am just having a little think and DOH just realised the places around norley are named after places towns and counties never gave it a thaught after all these years .. so that means i lived in Dorset and Somerset lol and Hellvellin was only a short walk away .. how lucky were we as kids did not have to go far to see the world did we lol..

The ones behind the shops where named after rivers

rbilly......it was an odd shaped shop and not so big and Sandra did sell all sorts but you didn't have to go upstairs only up a couple of steps if you wanted to try something on....it is years since she gave it up though.
Some of the roads were named after the Lake District...Thirlmere. Grasmere, Buttermere, Rydal...we lived in the Lake District and didn't know it then !!

Dorothy Higham yes but can't picture you...can you picture me from my photo ?....All the streets were named after places in the Lake District...I don't remember the Burrows...we lived in Drummond Square before Borrowdale & Purcells & Gerrard Dawber lived next to us then & moved at same time to Norley when I was 7.

nana.....just looked at your picture over your name and I can see your Mum in you. Can't really picture you. Are you on Facebook cos you'll see my photo on there as well as some when I got married...that might jog your memory though I'm a bit !!! bigger than I was then !!!1

I'm on F/B but how do I find you ?

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I am also on face book cherries and nana send email to brian and if you like i will give you my name on there.. would be nice to put a name to a face ..





this is my last photo i had it taken for my Christmas cards ...

rbilly
Now that's a real good photo. Who do I look for on F/B

right my go now ,along with a few names previously mentioned i remembered, i lived in the select area of Avon Roadhere are a few names i recall obviously the Hutchinson/Gilbert clan Jezz and Jeff Glover,Geoff (Spider) Hitchen Frank Ainsworth and his sister Chubby Tudor ,the Oliver girls Mick Bailey and his sisters,and further down Meehans,Bartons,Evans ,Terry Haswell.and some off Medway Jennings Hewitts Maidens Greens Penmans Prices Alan (milky bar kid ) Hedley sister Gladys Marie and Carole Lowe Faheys

...I've seen your photo rbilly from the WW get together but I don't know you...

nana.......how've you got rid of your name on here ??? I don't really want mine on either

nana.......how've you got rid of your name on here ??? I don't really want mine on either

Click edit in the bottom left hand corner Cherries

Make that the right hand corner

Doesn't work, dodger.......tried 3 times !!!!!

Mine just worked.

You've not got 'edit' in the right hand corner

We all have edit in our own corner Cherries

Cherries, you can only see your own "edit"

cherries- i'm 61 and i was about 14 or 15 when we hung around with those lads. i remember being shocked opne day when kathleen O 'Leary leaned out of her bedroom window and tod us to go back to where we came from. she went to art school though didn't she and i remember seeing some of her work at Manchester when I was considering going there.i don't know any of the girls you mentioned.

Oh I see, dodger.......thanks for that but it still doesn't work. What did you do to get rid ??

kath......yea, Kathleen did go to Manchester doing Art I believe. I lost touch with her after that and don't know where she is now.
She was a bit cheeky telling you to go. Perhaps she thought she was a bit above you lot seeing she'd gone to Uni !!!!!!

I'm surprised you don't know Jean Aspey cos she's 61 and Sandra who had the shop.

cherries if you send an email to ww care of brian else and ask him to forward it to me i will send email back with what i am known as on face book .

rbilly.......have e-mailed Brian so will just have to wait till he gets it.
Look forward to chatting on F/Book.

me to cherries what is it they say it's good to talk

Rbilly Rita Houghtons older sister was Joan, sadly she died a few years ago, still see Rita she lives next door to my Mums house. Chucky's real name was Charley Mackin you are right. Was speaking to the McCann twins a few weeks ago. Sandras old shop is now a taxi place. Is the Florence u refer to married to our Jimmy?

Just recalling how my family arrived in Wigan and how they came to live in norley. Mum was evacuated from Liverpool during the war to Southport, to a lovely family. After a couple of years she was put on a train. aged 7, heading in the direction of Wigan where her Mum and Dad knew some of her family were. They were all put in a house on Ormskirk Road at Pemberton, where Lamberhead Green Workingmens club is now. There was at least three families sharing the house, and from what I can gather big families. When the house was demolished they were all re-housed on the new estate. I never actually lived there but remember the good times as grandchildren do. What surprised me the most is how much I do remember and such good ones!!!

evacuees had a hard time didn't they? my mum lived in Skem and she wanted an evacuee from Liverpool but she wasn't allowed. I think she thought it was like having a pet!

They did find it hard. They were strangers from another County in those days..Still trying to learn the logos {with daughters help}Time does creep up on you.{:}

Still failed the logos. I apologise..

yes alli she is married to jimmy we have all been freinds for a long time .. and yes it was Joan Haughton you are rite .. i was speaking to Rita a few months ago we went to Pemberton and we bumped in to her . she as not changed one bit either .... do you still have both your parents Ali.. i lost both of mine my dad 28 years ago he was 52 and my mum 13 years ago she was 62.. so in my minds eyes they will be for ever young .. dad was younger that i am now.. miss them both so much[V io have some great memories though of norley hall .. and i remember your gran Mrs Farley i used to run erronds for her .. i remember the first time she asked me she stood at the door and shouted to me Hay girl in her scouse voice lol well i had never heard an accent like that before i thaught it was lovely lol she was a nice lady .... how is you Charley and Hughy doing always remember your Charley he was only little was'nt he just like your gran.and Mr and Mrs Mackin lovely People . was it mr Makin and your Gran who were Brother and sister..? as for the logos ali just click on them. after you have finished typing just put your arrow on the faces and click on it and it will put it to were ever you have the flashing line after you have done writing | and then sesy lol

hello cherries i have replied to your email

rbilly is right ali. keep practicing

Hi rbilly Dad died 10 years ago and Mum unexpectedly last July. Charlie has also now passed but Hughie still going strong living in Chorley. It was my Grandma and Johnny Mackin that were brother and sister. We are all still living in Pemberton/Orrell area, 17 children between us and up to now 14 grandchildren. All are well.How are your brothers and sister doing? Hope they are all well.

so sorrry to hear about your mum and dad ali and also Charley... we are all fine thank you Linda lives in Aspull .Steven lives..Newtown area .. and Terence and my self live in Bryn we have between us 9 chilldren and i have 5 grand chilldren .. and they are my world love them all to bits .. are you on fb ali ? how is your ellen and not sure but did you have any more siblings it is many moons since i last see any of you and the old grey matter is some what dimmer lol..

Jack and May Gregory lived on that manor somewhere. I can't recall the name of the street. My mum used to run a catalogue in the 1960's (John Myers and Grattan)and my dad used to go up and collect the "club money" every Sunday morning from a Mrs Myatt. The name Nellie or Elizabeth comes to mind, she lived just around the corner from May and Jack. My dad used to take me up there for a ride and then we would visit May and Jack at the same time. Jack was my dads cousin he was the steward at SLG Labour club amongst others. Anyone remember them? Brian (their son) died about eight years ago. He was only early 50's. Great chap he was. Their other son, Alan, has a pub in Cheshire.

The Gregory's lived on The Green, Brian hadn't been back in Wigan long when he died. Alan had a pub in Cheshire called the Norley last I heard.

Alan use to have the station pub at orrell, years ago

Just reading through brought back so many names I recall when living on Avon Road , All older now but still have memories of playing footy with teh Big Lads un long walks to the woods with Mr Grady and all the kids in toe

We went to live on norley in 1950 , I would be about 6 or 7 . A lot of the houses were just being built at the top end. The building sights were a haven for us kids to play. Piles of sand and bricks to make dens. At the bottom of helvellyn rd there used to be a watchman with only one hand, and a hook where his hand should have been. He used to chase after us waving his hook at us if he caught us playing in the half built houses. I was terrified of him, I would run like hell across The Green as fast as my little fat legs would go.
To this day I get uneasy if I see a hooked hand. 33 years ago when I married my husband at Chorley registry office I nearly died when I saw that the registrar had a big hook instead of a hand.

granada i used to run errands for may .. she lived in the street oposite to us that ran down to Hellvelly road it wa'snt the green doger. sorry to diasagre with you it was in the same street that the Walshes lived in across the road practicaly.. loved going to the shop for her as she used to treat me ha ha thripence i think i used to get my memeory fails me a little was it grasmeare road? was it not mrs May who lived around the corner from them? i have mentioned them on the thread some were i remember the lads great big tall lads . did one or the both of the lads play rugby ?gazzer Cath was only on about her dad on fb a couple of weeks ago she said her dad used to be like the pied piper all the kids folowing him lol... i am loving this thread look forward to loging on to see if any one else as made a comment i see a lot of people have veiwed wish they would have all made comment there must be a few more norley hallers looking in on us ...
if you are Heloooooooooooooooooooo from meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hi rbilly, the woman you were referring to as two gill lil was Lily Gaskel, she had two daughters, Christine who I think would be around your age and Lyne who was about my age or a year older.I see Dennis Hughes (Mackin)now and again when he brings his Evertonian mates to my local when they are playing Wigan or Bolton, they were here yesterday enroute to Oldham, two coach loads full, great crack. He says that his mum Kathleen is always reminising about the days on Norley and never fails to talk about mum and dad and what a lovely people they were.

You're right Rbilly, it was Grasmere road, I don't know where I got The Green from.
did your mate Florence had 2 sisters, Angela and Brenda?

Did Florrie Ball come off Norley?

She died some years ago. Her husband Tommy sadly died last year.

Never heard of her jarvo sorry .. yes dodger she does have a sister Angela think she is the eldest she also as a sister Magaret, May . Pat deceased and June and two brothers Tony and Phillip no sister called Mary though.. linda lou as both you and i know they were lovely people and i miss them so much not seen Dennis hughes since he was alittle lad nor John his brother .. and kathleen the last i see of her was at mums Funeral .. and yes you are right it was Gaskel think Christine is a little bit older than me though.. .. dodger easy mistake to make as the houses start at the corner of the green dont they we will let you of .. the only Florrie i knew on norley was related to The Buckleys never new her last name .. on waite a min think there were some balls who lived around the Hellvellyn road area think there were a big family of lads No i got it wrong it is The Halls i remember David i think the lads name is who i new .. think one of his brothers worked with my mum when she worked at Industrial reels many moons ago soz going of on a tangent lol dont mind me .... just come to mind as well some other norley hallers The Quins .. 3 lads Barry. Ian Keiron.. and they had a sister Janet .. also the Lindley family and the Crooks ..Also in Somerset Road lived Thomas Loyd or Tosh as they called him.. and The Burgesses Sadley they had A daughter who got killed in a motor bike Accident many many years ago...

Thanks Rose it was the Gallagher sisters, they have a brother named Brian, and I had forgotten about John Banks, he has a older brother called Dennis.

Lamberhead rd continued

Mr & Mrs halliwell, mary & john & their auntie jane lived with them, they moved to the green and the buckleys moved in, I can only remember martin, mr & mrs lion, vinnie, anyone know the youngest son, mr & mrs murphy, brian & a shed more, mr & mr ward, roy, joe, peter, and bernard, mr ward (peter) was a west ward committee man, mrs hallsall, billy, jean, they had a young sister who was killed coming away from the ice cream van, can anyone remember her name she was a beautiful looking girl, mr & mrs dyke, jimmy & martin, mr dyke (bob) was a west ward committee man, jimmy is a singer in the band copper kettle, and martin left school and became a jockey, mr & mrs penman, billy & a sister can anyone name her, billy was handicapped an used to drive the kids around in his blue invacar, roland bradshaw, mr & mrs gore, my mate alan, and I can’t remember his two sisters names, they’ll kill me, mr gore (cliff) was on the west ward committee.

barry the murphys moved in to our house in dorset close when they did the houses up..the ones i remember are irene she married John Banks . the muphys were Frank. Ted .malcom.irene. terry .tony, stephen ,sheila, and julie , and dot . Brian maried Sharon Prescot. the lions were Vinny Paul and Keith there were some girls but i can not remember there names . Paul married Ann Cavill one of the twins out of somerset road Albert Cavill WAS HER BROTHER. just been told by our Steven that Paul died... last year One of the Murphys died Terry it was just found out two of the lyon girls names Helen .Teresa .. but there was another sister and i can not remember her name she was one of the oldest

The wards had a sister was it joyce? .. Martine Dyke did become a jocky but been out of that game years .. Jimmy Dyke lives near me know at Bryn. still sings as well with a couple of bands there were the Ropers as well in Lamberheard road.. and the Browns and the Cadmens we all remember vinny dont we became a comedian and then ran a pub think he hit the skids for a short time but i do beleive he as braught his self back up again or is bringing is self up again he was a nice lad was Vinny used to have many a laugh with him

Hi Rose, not sure now if the youngest Lyons girl was Theresa, think it may have been Tracy.Keith Lyons was always known as Harry, don't know why. Mr Murphy "Ted" was a great baker,always baked for for England and his cakes were brill,Mrs Murphy was Rene, there was also a relation who lived on top Somerset Road, her name is Anne,"could it have been Corcoran" think she was the sister of Mr Murphy.Next door to the Lyons lived the Doughteys,"don't think that I have spelt that right" again a big family, correct me if I have missed anyone out. Kevin, Lorraine, Gillian, Dorcas, Wendy, June.

Think Vinnie Cadman was on TV last year on a reality show

There was an Anthony Doughtey dont remember a Kev linda i remeber Annn Corcoran she used to be great mates with Marion Fletcher,, dont no what relation she was to the Murphys though? she lived near Hilda Kenyon and Margaret Marney from what i can remember. across the road from the Quins

hi wizzerwin
i am billy &jean penmans daughter billy dident have one sister he has 4 sisters and one brother he is very independant and doing well who are you

yes he was rio think he lives on marsh green now

hello latics click on whizzerwin name and it will tell you who he is ....

what was wizzerwins brother's name, was it sinna ? or something like that.

Wizzerwins brothers are John Colin Ken and Ian. The ward sister was Rita, she lived next door but one to us on lamberhead rd. Mr bob dyke married mrs burgess didn't he? Roland bradshaws sister is my daughter danielles mother in law!! I remember all the above names, was it cavils where we went to buy flowers out of their garden?

hello judy mr Cavil did used to sell flowers out of his garden Dallias and Crisanths he grew some lovely ones but i always remember they used to be full of ear wiggs used to have to give them a good shake before we put them in the vase.. yes it was Rita Ward. and Mr Dyke did marry mrs Burgess you are right i had forgot about that .. she was only a tiny little lady wer'nt she

rbilly and cherries...good on yer...

fantastic thread! happy memories,brilliant reading all the names from our childhood im one of the speakmans from somerset rd ive managed to keep in touch with quite a few of my childhood friends !!

aw reet carol

Jury teen,I lived next door but two from the Bradshaws in Troutbeck Rise, which one of the girls is your daughters mother in law
Will you give her my regards. I haven't seen any of them for years, my name was Dorothy Holden.

Teresa. I'll pass your regards on Dorothy

thesurgeon; Ian was known as sinner

Scafell drive

Mr & mrs mulqueeny, peter, ste, mr mulqueeny (peter) was a west ward committee man, mrs M, worked behind the bar in the west with my mother and me in the seventies, peter is a friend of mine and he is/was a policeman, great family, come on stemul I know you pete’s going to kill me so fill us in with the rest of your lot. Another of my mates Alan Gaskell (gassy, he still think’s he’s capt marvel at the age of 58),

Helvellyn rd

Margaret Johnson, a childhood sweetheart,

The green

Steven garbutt, Brian (baw face) & Ann Yates, Margaret Atherton,

Honister rd or it may have been troutbeck rise the queen of the district nurses (evening service) Aileen O'loughlin (wheal)

Sommerset rd

Ste & frank burke, joe & dave bithell, albert & aneta cavill (twins) they have a older brother any one know is name,

Dorset close

Mr & mrs mcann, eric, roy, Christine, Barbara & Margaret (twins) the gorgeous Betty & I think there was another girl, Mr & Mr Feeley, Steve, that’s the man who’s got my body and I want it back, and someone called Rose (ha ha), is there any more of you lot Rose.

I'm cruising now

Levens place/Ribble drive

Mr & mrs peet, brian (I just love to play the drums) & eric, my mum and dads best friends, uncle John & auntie Grace Melling, jacky,norma & george (podge) jacky played rugby for warrington, mr & mrs shepherd, my mate bob, he worked behind the bar in the west ward with me, mr & mrs brown, my mate Stephen, John, keith (Charlie) & Norma Holden, Jane, young keith, I used to baby sit for norma & keith and take their doberman for walks, both keith’s played for wigan rugby, Robert & keith parks,

Buttermere

Mr & mrs Sedgwick, lilian, can any one remember a tall slim committee man with black, back combed hair, who had two girls with long red hair he always called the bingo. I think the youngest married brian peet.

Ambleside

My dads mate councillor and ex mayor Ernie Maddox & Nellie Maddox.

Two more Feeleys, Linda and Terence

Barrie, Joe & Dave Bithell had a sister named Pat(Trish) I seem to remember their mum came from darn sarf

I'm still on medication rio.

Barry there are two more of the Feeley clan Linda and Terence lol and the Burkes there is Joe Burke .Sylvia Burke and Rose mary Burke. or it could be Rose ann WAS it Billy Cavill ? The Mcanes lad Colin but they used to call him Martin and there was another girl Brenda?. there was also the Baynams .coming down norley hall avenue lived Vic moss married one of the Athertons of the Green Lilly . also Roy Martland din't he live at the Top or was that Joyce his sister.. does any one remember Dirty Dick he used to sit on the Corner of the bungalows at School Way for the life of me i do not know why they called him that. do you rembere .. Eric And Janet Rolands they used to go in the West Ward were good freinds of my mum and dad they lived oposite pem girls school not exaxtley norley but next door .. there was also the Baxtors if my memory serves me right they lived in Lamberhead Road I remember Joe and John but can not think of any of the otheres ?

The Mackins lived on norley just of grasmere road i think Margaret. Pat .Charley, Robert.Tony sadley he passed away a few years Ago and Jimmy .. Jimmy is A good freind of oure's he married Florence Burrows out of Helvellyn she is one of my Oldest freinds we have known one another over 50 years .

Rose, was good mates with Vic Moss and Tony Mackin and both of them, even thought they were no angels were taken from this planet much to soon

Nancy Baxter was johns sister, sadly she's passed. Didn't Pete mulqueeny marry June Tudor? Eric peet married Ruth cherrington from Severn drive. Anybody remember Anita and Denise Taylor? The lady on Severn drive who ran tony christies fan club. Diane Harris from Severn drive.

Not heard a mention of Freddy Stevens who used to collect subs for the T&G Union in the Wild West. In 1970 subs were 2/6 a week.

Did he live behind shops? Humber place maybe? Grey matters working overtime now!

yes judy Pete did marry Peter Mulqueenny .. but they no longer to gether split up many moons ago she used to work in the west ward when i did as we were known at the time bottle snatchers and when i first started i used to spend my wages buying bottles that i had taken that were still full ha ha silly me .. Barry there are so many people of norley who were my age or around my age give or take a few years that have passed away .. so sad rio i remember Freddy Stevens didn' he live behind norley shops some were .. i always remember him for his silver streak wasn't it across one eye brow across his fringe on one side .

Ha ha judy great minds

Rose.....When I lived on Norley till 1971, did Freddy Stevens not live with the rest of his family in Helvellyn Road....a few houses down from the top near the bus terminus. There were a few brothers of them and was Freddy a Ted. I can remember him dancing.....jiving..... in the West Ward when they had club nights on a Thursday night.....brilliant dancer !! Sometimes fights used to break out.....my mother did her nut cos I went there but they were good nights then. Or am I on the wrong Freddy but this one had the silver streak that you mention. He used to sit with me on the last bus coming home sometimes.....he was ok was Freddy. Now whether they moved behind the shops, I don't know but I'm pretty sure he lived at one time in Helvellyn Road.

Correct Cherries, Freddie was brought up in Helvellyn, he was one of five brothers.

The Stevens did live on Helvellyn road near where the bus turned round. Freddie had a silver streak and he had one blue eye and one brown eye. His brother Ray was a very good looking lad.yes Freddie was a good bopper, he used to go to the Albion when I did.

An update for Wizzer on the McCann clan members:-

Eric and Beatrice were the parents of Eric, Roy, Christine, Susan, Elizabeth, the twins Barb and Marg (my wife being Barb), Martin and Brenda.

Both parents have passed away - the remainder are alive and well.

I don't remember Susan

i have just seen a face from the past Eddy Willis not seen him in years and years. he as two sisters from what i can remember one of them is Ann .. i have in my mind they were twins..?may be getting them mixed up with some one else Eddy married a girl who i remember from school think her name was Sandra Birchall ? that name seems to stick in my mind.? his older sister was married to Terry Berry .. Not sure were the Willisis lived but i remeber there mum and dad from the west ward i used to like him .. always used to be pulling my leg...

rbilly,

The Mackins were next door but one neighbours of ours, they lived at 70 Helvellyn Road. A lovely family, especially the girls, Pat and Margaret. I met Jimmy and Charlie many years ago in Pem when I was on holiday. We had so much fun back in the 50's. Their parents were so honest and straight. A better family could not be found anywhere.

dotty......going back to Freddy Stevens. You said he used to go to the Albion when you did. Where was The Albion......I thought I knew most of the nightspots at that time but can't recall one called the Albion.

Rose....is the Terry Berry you talked about further back, the Terry Berry who lived at the top of Thirlmere
Road....think he had a brother called Cliff.

Do you know Fred, I can't recall the Mackins for the life of me. Are they our age ??

cherries,

yes and no,

Margaret and Charlie were close to my age, Pat was a year or so younger, and all the others were going down in age from us.

I loved the girls (naturally) and Tony (Curly) was one of my favourites. So sad about him.

I was so pleased to see Jimmy making something of himself, I believe he was in IT, and I am hopeful for all our old playmates from the 50's.

and, jarvo,

The Norley that I knew has gone. The memories live on...

so true..

dont no cherries i only know terry he used to have the pub at marus bridge with his wife ,, thinking now i think her name may be Sheila some one will put us right the Mackins are all different ages from 57 upwards Jimmy is the youngest .. there were 2 girls and 4 lads think marg and pat will be in there early to middle 60 s

There were 4 Willis's, Sheila, Josie, twins Eddie and Ann, Sheila married Terry Berry from Thilmere road.
Last time I saw Terry was when he was in the Ben Johnson.

Terry Berry died a couple of years ago
Remember Chucky Mackin coming up to the West on a kids bike, after a pint he went out to ride home, only to come back into the club stating the immortal line "Somedys pinched me f***in Chopper"

ha ha he was a rum lad was chucky lol was he at one time a jocky ?... Fred, Jimmy not in IT not been for years... i thaught the Mackins lived around the corner from Helvelyn i will ring Florence to morrow and find out lol... sorry to say Margaret and Charley do not have good health at this moment in time ..

Didn't Judy markey marry a mackin?

Cherries, the Albion used to be facing Jem Lowes (The dog and partridge)
At the top of Pem. I think it was white street, I spent a lot of happy hours there boppin the night away , it would be the late fifties early sixties.

Thanks Phil I can't visualise the two youngest also Susan and Elizabeth, but I must have seen them walking past our house. Beatrice must have been a stunning looking woman to have so many good looking kids.

Barrie Elizabeth was always called Betty but I can't for the life of me remember Susan and I was best mates with Barbara and Margaret yeah they were all good looking weren't they?

Thanks Judith silly me

Didn't Betty marry Bernard Moore.

Ooooo! I remember her going out with him but not sure if she married him?

I can remember Christine going out with a lad I think his name was Derek, he was a great dude he had a lotus élan. He was a Plummer on the winstanley building site when I worked there.

Yeah they got married I think, he was a scouser. They bought a cottage near mels mum and dad in upholland

Yeah that's right Judith he was a scouser

terry berry who died came from seven drive near the club i think is brother lived at the top of the green cliff who played for swinton

his son also cliff played played for wigan he had a sister called leslie

Judy SUSAN was a little older than BETTY FROM WHAT I CAN REMEBER HER SHE WAS QUIET TALL and Betty did marry Bessy AND Tony Moores lad they used to have the West Ward when i worked there bottle snatching lol and Judy Marki married Rob Mackin . but i think they split up a long time ago . Christine Mcan had a house or cottage facing Orell water park at one time..

Good old days, Terry Berry lived at the top of Thilmere road with Cliff and the family before he married Sheila, and she lived on the corner of Norley Hall Ave and Severn Drive.

dotty
Do you know I still don't remember the Albion !!! and late fifties/early sixties I would have been 15/16 onwards. Sounds as if I was missing out there.....loved to watch Freddie Stevens bop !!! He was brilliant.
Thanks for telling me. xx

Cherries, a former thread about the Albion, I have bumped it up for you.on general.

dotty
Thanks for that but I still don't remember it !!!! Mind you I started courting just before I was 15 and he was a lad from Wigan so I spent most of my time there. I went out with him for about 5 years so that's probably why I missed it. I'm sorry I did though.....sounds brilliant.
We did used to go to the Queens on a Sunday night and queue for the double seats at the back upstairs !!! so I spent a bit of time in Pem. I still lived in Thirlmere Road though till 1971.

Colin Sheridan was from Norley, last time i saw him he was running a club in blackpool, not seen him for years. He had younger sister and older brother.
Others: Paul Gavaghan, Carl Dowd, Martin Mcann, Jimmy Cantillon, Tony Sykes, Chris Mulqueeney Paul Smalley.
Not seen any of them for years hope there all well.

Severn Drive

Terry & Sheila berry, Brian & Norma(melling) Penman, Glovers (2 or 3 girls), Terry & Steven Jennings, Joe Hilton, Eileen & Dennis Hilton, Jean & Martin Cullen, Margaret Penman, Mr & Mrs Colman, Dave, and a shed more, Kate Higham I can’t remember her maiden name she had a son named simon, Martin o'grady, Marie o'grady, I think Eddie Powers lived on severn drive, May, A great lad Peter, Mick,

Irwell Place

Mr & Mrs Robinson, Jimmy, Alan, Mr Robinson (Jimmy senior) was a west ward committee man.

Avon Road

Terry Hollingworth, holly played rugby for wigan, Mr & Mrs Tudor, Derek, my mate John, Edna, Sherridans, Pemp, Tommy and a shed load help me out someone, Peter Gillbert, Norma & Barbara, ken is that right Judith,

davy did colin sherridon marry a girl from crook .. think i know him and his brother and his sister well i remember them but can not think of there names.. i remember the Dowds Marin is the one i remmeber the most. and Jimmy Cantillon they were freinds of my brothers .. DID Paul Smalley have a brother John ? if he did he was in my class at St Johns.... i see Terry Hollingworth a few weeks ago not seen him for years up to that Cherries my hubby says that the albion was owned by bamfords they had the bakery .. Barry think the Jones family lived on Avon Road big family of them .. and the Tudors?

Rose the cantillons lived near you I remember mrs cantillon and wilf, wilf was a real good pro rugby player.

Powers lived on Avon rd. David highton, tony hurst, frankie ainscough Joyce ainscough, Carole Gordon, mick bailey, carol Barton, Kevin Meehan, Leslie sentance, Joan lanyon, Helen arrowsmith, Ann foster, my sister Barbara winstanley and her 4 Ian Donna Karen and Gary, jeff and Gerald glover, our lot Annie George ken John Norma Barbara Peter Eric me and Carole. Brian stott, houghs, jonny moss, harknesses, sheridans-Kevin, tommy Eddie Susan Joan Ann Julie Colin.

Hurrah your coming alive Judith, I thought we'd lostt you.

Haha! I was on a roll then weren't I? Look at the time I posted!

I used to live opposite the Power's on Avon Road , Left when I was 11yrs old , But my parents had lived there for donkey's years

I vaguely remember your family gazzer

The Cantillons lived in Dorset close Barry after we moved . when they did the Houses up every one swappped around .. they moved in to the Cromptons house dont know were they went to? There was Wilf . Jimmy ..and Julie there mum was a lovely lady .. Behind the shops barry not sure were but wernt there a family called Horabins not sure of the Spelling seem to remember a lad called Jonny Horabin. ? dont think Wilf Cantillone does much these days Barry as i was talking to Jimmy and he said as his knees were bad

Johnny horrobin lived facing Pem lads

only knew him slightley judy as i think he payed rugby for pem lads at the same time as our steven?

Ok Barry, the other 2 are Chris and Marie.
Chris and me did bottle snatching in West Ward from about 71 to 74 with Ste and John Baldwin and Susan Baybutt from bottom corner of Thorburn road.
Davey, Chris is well, living near Dundee, just become a granddad for the 1st time, in the gamekeepng business.
Other names I remember from Scafell Drive ...Ormes, Hamills, Wilcox, Hocks, Rowes, Conroys, Butchers, Mushcrofts

First of all, you seem to be having a great time with this thread. It's nice to be nice i'nt it?

I don't really know a lot about Norley apart from playing in a group at West Ward in the 70s.
I do remember though, that a couple of lads i worked with at a warehouse in the 1970s, lived on Norley.

Their names were; Albert Cavill and John Tudor and they'll both be in their 50s now.

Bert had a twin sister called Anne I think, and John was a big hefty lad.

Anyone know them?

Yeah course we do! They have been mentioned on this thread. John Tudor lived on Avon road and cavills lived on somerset road. How are you anyway?

Judyteen , Big Brother Dave , then Glynn , Kath , Gillian , me then Barny the youngest

What about Dave Harris? Smashin' lad.

He lived opposite the Norley pub.

Dave has a sister Diane, I remember she had a baby when she was quite young

hello winder what was the name of the group you played in .? i know the tudors also like judy says they have been mentioned a few times on this thread i also new the Cavils Ann and her brother Albert

John Tudor(Ma Yon)is a gentle giant.

Known him from school. He used to come up Smethurst Lane helping Norman Whalley doin' all kinds of jobs. Srong as an Ox.
But not seen him now for some years.
His older brother,Brian, worked in West Works(The Valve)with me.

Judy.
Hello, I'm ok apart from owd age and poverty.
I've just spotted the replies about the Tudors and Cavills.
Didn't read all the replies at first.
Hope you and your sis are keeping well.

rbilly.
The group or is it band? I played in were called Funnybone.
We were going at the same time as Kettle and Rainbow Cottage, we used to do all the usual places like Rugby club, Casino, Bier Keller etc.

Jarvo.
Yeh John was big lad, I think he might have played a bit of Rugby at one time. He was deff a Prop Forward.

hello winder sorry i do not remember that group .. as that was what you were known as in those days .. the only band i knew of were brass bands ....

It's ok rbill you don't need to say sorry.
Everybody back when I was playing called them groups, today they seem to be known as bands.

Back in the 60s if you played in a band it was brass.

Winder: Did Joe Moss play bass for you?

Yes he did.
We all, thats me, joe the singer and drummer, met up last year at Joe's house.

First get together in 30 odd years.

hope you enjoyed your self winder bet there was a few tales to be told

A few tales, rbill, but thinking back there should have been a lot more.
If you know what I mean.

ha ha enough said nudge nudge wink winkhappy days ey

 does any one remember Dirty Dick 

Hahaha, rbilly, not heard that names for ages

Rest of the burkes where, Sylvia, stey, tosh, frank, pat, mick, joey, cant remember the name of the other girl

Rest of the hiltons where, mick, dennis, jimmy, chris, eilen and joyce

Lets not forget the legendary neil and mick power, last time I saw mick he still had his pvc bomber jacket on and his flared pants and ankle boots with the side zip

Cracking thread

think the other girl was called Rosemary i know it had Rose in it with something added to it?

Rosalee they were a good looking family the burkes, lovely teeth! I remember Eileen Hilton she used to have really bad psoriasis bless her x I love this thread!

thats the one, i see stey now and again but not seen mick and pat for years

i think on of the hilton girls married a farmer and lives in crawford village

Other Hiltons: Alf and Valerie.

oops, forgot about them, jarvo

I Knew it was some thing with Rose in it . as her mum once said to me she liked my name and that is why she was calling her that .. lol and me i Hate my name lol i remeber Eillen Hilton and the other girl can not think of her name one of them lived near me.. how many girls was there i remember two it is the younger one who lives round the corner .. and i remember Dennis.. all the burkes were good looking .. bt there dad was a good looking bloke young Frank used to look like his dad from what i can remember think he was the tallest of them all ? I was talking to Steven a couple months ago he was in Pem Centrall with Christine his wife an old freind of mine.. they were at a family do it was Christine sisters 50 th birthday there Carol not seen her since she was about 14 and all her sisters and her brother were there doesnt time fly does not seem that long ago when we all used to sit on the wall at the norley shops used to be loads of us and we never caused any bother and we were never moved on by the police either .. they used to stop and chat to us and tell us to behave our selves and we did many happy memories of my time on norley loved it .. not much money but we did see life lol

didnt there joey have the crispin at one time

i dont know walshy as i lost touch with them for a long time once we all got married and had familes . i moved away from norley at 17 and them moved up to Bryn so it is nearly 40 years since i lived in the area .. still have freinds who live there in Pemberton and kept informed of people who we went to school with but as for the others i dont no....one of my best freinds Married Jimmy Mackin

We were in Pem central over christmas it was my sister barbaras 70th (normas twin) she hired the whole club! Mind you shes gone there for donkeys years! It was a really good night

I remember walking home from Robert Lewis with my sisters in the very early sixties. In those days school finished at four o'clock and it would be getting dark when we set off home. Near to Christmas, we would compare all the Christmas trees that were on show in the houses of Thorburn Road and Norley Hall Avenue. There were no outside displays in those days, thank God...

Everything had its place. Money was tight, but we appreciated the small things. Happy afternoons walking home up Norley.

People/kids appreciated everything in them very, very happy days

phew, i thought for a moment that this,one of the best threads on here, for a long time, had been removed

So did I! I was proper panicking!

Reet where do I start,I'm from norley and know a lot of the people mentioned on here ,but do you remember the characters?( Commando joe) jones lived in Dorset close he put a wire fence up int back garden and connected it to leccy so we would,nt pinch his kids bommy lol but that didn't stop us .next door to him was (Popeye) Sinclair owd chap he was .and who remembers the Marney,s Ella wren , Albert ainsworth ,deb jones best header of a football in wigan she would play football we us all day .then the was the crooks family,jeff,Alan, Carl and his twin can't think of his name ? Anyway mr crook always had spare valves fot tellys in the days and when our telly broke as it often did ,me dad would say nip up mr crooks an see if he's got a spare B 10 valve or whatever number it was what we needed and guess wot he always had one lol good old days

Yer reet jarvo we had nothin only a size five casey ball what we got from west ward party given to us from Father Christmas (freddy's dad) I can smell the leather now, can any of the lady's remember what they got?

We were told you've got lot's to play with..... It's called outside.

Humber Place

Mr & Mrs Markland, Joyce, Roy, Dave, Liz, Mr Markland (Sid) was the secretary of the northern anglers association, Roy was the steward of the west ward. Can anyone remember Eve & Neville's second name, the photo of there wedding was on here a while ago, they live in Atherton now.

Derwent Place

Kevin Close, Christine, there are a few more. Dennis Knight,

Jackie Close. Nice fellah. Worked at Banks' Funerals for Brian Halliwell.

Yer reet again jarvo.

Robert Parkes, Brian Peet.

Yer not paying, attention jarvo they are on higher up

Sorry, Barrie...gettin' carried away here.

Mrs Blinston, Mr Martin, and Mrs Saunders. Three great teachers from Pem Primary.

Burt ainsworth

Not heard that name for a while

Ray Atherton lived in the White Houses. His brother, Ian, passed away at a young age. Also Geoff Atherton.

Ray goes in the Workers in Pem.

Did he used to play football, if it is him, I heard to got signed high for attacking a ref

Walshy: He played at school, but I haven't heard that he got 'sine die'.

Unless im thinking of someone else

Does he still work for pem taxis, could phone him up and ask him

Work?

Mr Millard! He was a great teacher! Popeyes daughter Doreen married my brother Ken! They had 3 kids in 3 years, all ended up in foster care cos Doreen had what would now be known as post natal depression but she was sectioned and institutionalised for rest of her life, oe of the kids has died as well now, Linda.

I should've said does he still get vodkad, is that wiganism, up at pem taxis

tomjackel i remember joe jones he always had is trousers hanging down is that why you called him comando always showing his builders bum .. well when i say builders bum never knew him to ever go to work .. every so often you would see him with white banages all over his arms .. [dont no why ] but i know what the neighbours used to say and as for the leccy well also remember the marnies dont remeber the crookes having twins was the marnie kids not twins think one of the Girls was called Julie dont remeber what her brother was called good looking kids as i remember ther mumwas called Margaret .. they were related to the Cullens who lived next door to us in Somerset Road also remeber the Sinclers i used to run erronds for Mrs Sinclaire there was a daughter who no one ever saw i remember she died and there was some investigation in to how? ... I dont know why this as been taken of a sticky unlesss Brian as been asked by some one to take it off .. some one will have to email him and ask him to put it back for another little while i did it last time... relly enjoying reading it i have a look most days to see if any one else as added any thing i also know Debb Jones and Ella Wrenn The Crookes had a sister Christine she is in Canada now . she came back a few months ago for her mums funerall she as not changed one bit .. tom jackel give us a hint on to who you are lol
H

Mr Murphy was the Headmaster at St Cuthberts. A green fence separated Robert Lewis and St Cuthberts.

We hated the Catholic kids, and they hated us. Was silly, but there you go.

A lot of Catholic kids feared Murphy; he used to beat them black and blue.

He'd be in prison today.

Flippimg ek.... talk about memories... Brian and Eric Peet lived in the same street as me [Levens Walk] and where good friends of mine...along with johnny Horribin who lived on the corner of Norley Avenear he roundabout. Brian married Barbara, but I cant remember her maiden name... then there was John and Ann Smalley and Bob Blann ?? not sure how to spell his surname... Funny but I saw Bob just a couple of days ago, and he always waves if he is at the gate and I drive past....

By the way wizzerwin... when I was atill at school I used to fancy Alan Gaskel

The palava with the sinclairs unknown daughter was awful. They kept her locked in a bedroom for years, alone while they went to west ward 7 nights a week. When the day arrived when she was being removed an ambulance turned up and according to one of the ambulance men she was stuck to sheets with bed sores, shit, piss an monthlies. And to top it all it was rumored that her brother Joe had been having sex with her.

I think this thread is more noticeable now it's moved back

Judyteen: You put that with not one bit of understatement...

Sad. Very sad. Poor girl.

Because I can, it was awful, I was a teenager and I'll never ever forget it.

Forgot to mention Carol Derbishire who lived near Norley pub is still a friend of mine and we keep in touch still... heristers where jeannette and Lynne who unfortunately is no longer with us..as for the Dowds, I really only knew Joan...

How very tragic.

Yes i remember that know judy. i was only young when that happened it is a very long time ago i did not even know she had a daughter untill this happened. dont now about the rumour about her brother though .

Must have been very traumatic for all concerned.

I dont remember that... what a crying shame...

Used to go to school with a girl called Margaret Ryding, she live on Montrose Ave at the bottom of Norley Rd opposite what is now Falkirk Grove. There was also a lad called Gerald ? he had red hair he used to deliver newspapers for Shuttleworths, think he lived on Levens walk Moodysue. Anyway I really fancied him and used to help him deliver his papers, but he never asked me out

Moodysue; did you have ginger hair when you were young?

Alan Gaskel, if you'd had worn a cat woman outfit he would have been putty in your hands.

Yes and I still have wizzerwin..

Did you live lower down than ste brown?

hiya moody i used to be freinds with Carol . when she lived near me .. i am freinds with her again on face book she found me on there a while ago and i remember her Sister Lynne she was a lovely girl i remember she had a mane of long blonde curley hair,, from what i can remeber of her she was always a little frail.. i have told Carol about this thread and she said she will have a look at it ... as for the Sinclaires it is coming back to me know there was a clear case of neglect wer'nt there didn't it go to court . they lived back to back to us they lived in Dorset Close . next door to the Murphys and we lived in Somerset road .. i remember know that the back bedroom curtains were never opened and that is were the poor girl spent her time .. was there only the two chilldren i remember a red haired lad ?

Cant remember the name.... I lived in the Dutch Houses.. they where new built then..... We moved there from Highfield when I where 13 or 14 not sure which now.... long time ago....

PS ya know when I first moved to Norley.... I hated it.... Pem boys used to harrass me coming out of school and shout my name under my bedroom window

that is what you get living near the boys school lol been to many a dance there changed a lot since we used to go remember the hall used to be at the front ...

jarvo I went to St Cuthberts for four years and in all that time was never beaten "black and blue" by Mr Murphy nor do I know of anyone who was I think you should retract that scurrilous remark

Keith and Norma holding lived in the Dutch houses,
Say hello to Carol when you next talk to her, we used to kiss in the Cuthberts yard when it was closed, but she always liked Brian Bradley (dilly) when we were 12/13.

Do you remember Lynn Atherton or Carol Houghton from pem girls school?

Yes both of them..Lynn was in my class and went into the Police Force or so I heard... I can see that though I remember you coming up to pem girls also wizzerwin...

rbilly re the Sinclairs. Did they call the father the White Hunter in West Ward. There was once a big fight in West Ward between members of that family. Can you get sued on here.

rbilly lynne had spina bifida... she had lovely hair didnt she? god bless her.... I remember laughing at Carol at school because her mum was having another baby.... back fired on me when I found out a couple of weeks later that mine mother was having one to..

wizzerwin... kissing eh... just wait till I see that Carol

you are right jarvo the Athertons did live on norley hall somerset road and ian did die young they had gone of to a football match from what i can remember . and i think they had had a fair bit of pop between them and they left him to sleep it of and when they came back they found him .. sad . they had a sister who died quiet young as well ..no seen them for a long time wer't there four lads .. i remember one of them married a girl called Sheila Puckering .. not to gether now thoughwas it Geoff? when i was growing up there were 3 families on norley called Atherton two in somerset road and one on the Green

Moodysue Your right we used to come in our dinner time Lynn a good friend but I haven't seen her for ages, I do remember you.

me either... the thing I remember about Lynn is when we played St Peters at at netball... my posh cousin used to go to that school.... anyway.. I remember big Lynne practically cleaved em all out single handed

Lynn was a good all round sports woman, she used to do judo with Paddy Biggy at pen primary and played badminton with me and my mate Dawber.

She could beat the crap out of us if she wanted.

Titch Dawber who lived on Norley Ave...

Moodysue, Brian lived on the corner of norley hall avenue.and thorburn road at the top end of norley.

AH!!! yes I remember him... a big lad...

Ha Ha Ha yeah, did you hear that Judith, don't forget to tell your Eric that